Critics Are Fans, Too and Everyone Knows Danny Rand Was White in the Comics

Netflix and Marvel’s Iron Fist has been getting bad reviews and thanks to its star Finn Jones, we’re having that critics vs. fans debate again. Oh, did I mention Danny Rand is white?

Ok. What the heck is going on? In case you’re not, you know, online all the time like I am, you might not have seen the flood of Iron Fist reviews come in late last week. They’ve been mostly bad. Like, even large entertainment outlets can’t fake it for the sake of keeping good PR relationships bad. And guess what? Even critics who don’t normally comment on race issues surrounding a show have mentioned Iron Fist makes things extremely uncomfortable in that area. Why? Because it’s a tired trope that should have been thrown out way before 2017.

Iron Fist was created by Roy Thomas and Gil Kane in the early 70s and they’ve discussed how they got their idea for the character from Asian cinema.

The white savior narrative has been used over and over. In the case of Iron Fist, it may not be “whitewashing” as we generally use the term (replacing a specific character of color for someone white) but it is whitewashing in the sense that other cultures’ stories are being erased to give a white character the spotlight. And I’ve often talked about the need for better representation in Hollywood. In this discussion it’s important to remember a few things, namely that no one discussing this project denies the fact that Danny Rand, as he was created, is white. That doesn’t mean he needs to remain white in order for his story to work. It was a problematic character from the get-go. That’s the issue.

But would Marvel try and make some changes? Especially after the controversy that surrounded Doctor Strange? Fans brought up the issue of race in casting this show really early on and all those involved decided to stick to canon (and as we’re starting to see, that might have been a big mistake). The hashtag #AAIronFist and surrounding fan campaign was created by The Nerds Of Color’s Keith Chow. He explained to MTV News back in 2015 that you can be Asian-American and still very much be an outsider in an Asian setting:

“I think a lot of people tend to fall back on the idea that Danny is an outsider and the people of K’un L’un don’t accept him readily,” Chow continued, “and as an Asian American person I’m like, that doesn’t mean you have to be white for that to happen. Plenty of Asian American people who grew up in America, if they were to stumble into this mystical Asian city, I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t be accepted right away either.”

You may recall Iron Fist’s Jones already got himself in hot water speaking about the issues surrounding his casting. He left Twitter for a short while after having interacted with an Asian woman expressing her concerns. He returned not long after and seemed to have taken very little of the talk to heart. But after the bad reviews started rolling in, he made another bad decision – he pitted critics against fans.

Speaking to Metro he said (emphasis mine):

‘Well I think there’s multiple factors. What I will say is these shows are not made for critics, they are first and foremost made for the fans.

‘I also think some of the reviews we saw were seeing the show through a very specific lens, and I think when the fans of the Marvel Netflix world and fans of the comic books view the show through the lens of just wanting to enjoy a superhero show, then they will really enjoy what they see.

Variations of the line “we didn’t make this for the critics” have been uttered so often the last few years and almost exclusively in relation to superhero adaptations when they get poor reviews. It’s laughable.

Yes, claiming a project is “for the fans” ignores the fact that 1.) these projects are made for money first and foremost, 2.) that somehow critics aren’t fans of anything, and 3.) that fans will automatically love anything you do. Now it should be noted that of course some fans are blindly devoted at times (with DC movie stans in particular think the DCEU can do no wrong) and all critics commenting on adaptations may not be longtime comic book readers but one thing I think I can safely say they all have in common is they don’t want an project to be bad. Speaking personally, I dread when I have to write a negative review. You know no one involved wanted to make something bad but sometimes the end product just isn’t successful.

I’m in the career I am because I’m a fan, not just of geeky properties but in the creation and execution of media itself, and you’ll find most professional critics would say the same thing. Criticism is tough to take, I totally understand that, but choosing to respond to it (which is unnecessary) and responding to it so poorly is a bad look. In Jones specific situation I think he could have said he was disappointed many of the critics weren’t responding to the show as they thought but that he hoped the general audience had a better experience once they got a chance to watch.

No one is saying you have to watch everything with a critical eye, most people just ingest media and don’t think about it on more than a superficial level. That’s fine and anyone’s prerogative. But you shouldn’t judge those who choose to examine something critically, whether they’re paid to or not.

(via io9)

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  • I’ve tried to filter the reviews because so many of them concentrate on this one aspect, knowing full well that under the right circumstances I’d be able to ignore it and enjoy it anyway.

    But most of the reviews pretty much just stop the buck here. Which is annoying.

    So, I’m gonna go ahead and predict the future:
    -Danny’s whiteness doesn’t bother me until he gets a Chinese girlfriend and then it REALLY starts to bother me.
    -The entire thing looks like Bulletproof Monk with a better budget.
    -Danny fights a dragon only in silhouette.
    -It’s actually more boring than Luke Cage and I fall asleep through two episodes.
    -The best part of the series will be a cameo from at least one of the other Defenders.

    • Jones is on record stating he learned the fight choreography 15 minutes before it was shot

      • Hey, YOU. I’m not sure what part of this particular comment you were replying to…

        But, yes, I know. And you can tell.

  • VindicaSean

    A black or Latino Danny Rand would’ve required absolutely no greater change to the character, and would’ve allowed for a double-up on the “fish out of water” style of story– first, an American (just assuming, since the character is also American, but American doesn’t have to mean white, too) finding his way to Kun Lun and training to take on a generational mantle. Then that character returning to the US, and feeling out of place *there*. That second half would ring even more true with a POC Iron Fist.

    But then, I think they still let Perlmutter handle the “TV” properties. We’re lucky we got Luke Cage, methinks.

    • Jack Omally

      That would not have worked especially when you have the relationship that Danny and Luke Cage have. It depends on them both being black and white.

  • ReverendShaggy

    The thing with it is this, it may be a bad trope that it came from but it was always an enjoyable rump regardless of that. And into this that Chuck Norris and numerous others were also great martial artists at the same time. Also and in that Shang Chi is a fantastic character if they get rid of the Asian Sploitation feel of it and you have something that while possibly an appropriation of a cultural setting clearly became a character that was trying to right that wrong throughout his lifecycle. If the show approached anything in a way that screams I am taking this away from someone specific, that would be an issue. The fact that A culture of people like to imagine themselves as another aspect that may happen to be from another culture does not mean that they are trying to steal it but praising it.

  • Zefram Mann

    I’m not sure whether I want to see this series now more or less because of the potential trainwreck.

    Can someone please illuminate me on where this falls on a scale? Like, how bad is it compared to Ben Affleck’s Daredevil (theatrical and director’s cut), or Seth Rogan in Green Hornet. Is the writing in general shit, or the characters unlikable?

    Also, you really know 2016-17 is the year we passed into the evil Mirror Universe when the The Punisher is the deep and introspective character piece audiences are waiting for.

    • From what I’ve read from people who are critical, is that even the worst Marvel Netflix show is still better than most the dreck

  • Shoe

    Maybe at the very least Marvel will now see (once and for all) that the success of a series doesn’t rely on the fact that it has a white, male, physically perfect hero. I can hope for that much, can’t i?

    • One would have thought they would have learned that lesson with Luke Cage.

      • Shoe

        I think that they see Luke Cage and Jessica Jones as exceptions, not the norm. I’m not even sure they see Daredevil as anything other than a typical white male hero.

  • Moreover, it is possible to enjoy something and be critical of it. I mean. I love the movie, Signs. When I say this people jump at the chance to berate me because how could I like something so bad when it has so many flaws? Don’t I realize how flawed that movie is?

    Yes, yes. I know exactly how terrible the movie is, and yet I love it nonetheless.

    BTW, @JillPantozzi:disqus were you one of the lucky ones to get advanced screening of this? I’m assuming not.

    • I LOVE SIGNS AND ACTUALLY HAVE A SIGNS TATTOO http://thenerdybird.com/inked/

      *ahem*

      No, I did not get screeners.

    • Ironwoman Tasali

      I feel this way about Dr. Strange.

      Problematic AF, but I still enjoyed it.

    • teenygozer

      Honestly, there’s nothing wrong with Signs that having Bruce Willis play the lead wouldn’t have fixed. Bruce Willis makes all things better!

      But seriously, it had me on the edge of my seat more than once and I loved the characters, there were some good scares and some good tension-releasing joke moments. Sometimes that is all you really need in a movie and demanding more, even logic and sense, seems churlish.