Share All Your Spoilery Captain America: Civil War Feelings Here!

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No, I haven’t seen Marvel’s Captain America: Civil War yet but if you did I’ve got just the spot for you to talk about it without spoiling anyone else.

Here!

I’m actually headed to the theater in just a bit for my viewing but I know lots of folks have already seen it so here’s your place to spout all the spoilers about the film as you’d like.

So yeah, SPOILER WARNING in effect! THE COMMENTS ON THIS POST WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR. PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK AFTER THESE GIFS.

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[UPDATE] Well, I’m back from my screening and I can’t believe I’m going to say this but…I can’t find anything to critique. I loved every minute of it!

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64 Responses to “Share All Your Spoilery Captain America: Civil War Feelings Here!”

  1. Mark Wyman says:

    Just one complaint upon leaving the theater, that still sticks with me. In the scene where Hawkeye is pointing out Stark’s stupidity at The Raft, he finishes with “…like a criminal?”. This would have been the perfect place to introduce the MCU to the magic word they’ve avoided so hard: change it to “….like a villain?”

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  4. wondercube says:

    Finally saw it Saturday. zOMG. SO. GOOD.
    I was sooo pleased with the quality and cohesiveness of this film. Such a wonderful feeling after the BvS debacle and Age of Ultron hero-soup. It makes me sad the Russo brothers didn’t helm that film. It could have been so much better. Every single character felt well featured despite there being so many. Some thoughts.

    1. Wanda and Vision might have been my favorite part of the movie. THIS IS HOW YOU SET UP A ROMANCE, MARVEL (looking at you Nat and Bruce – for the recorded I LOVED the potential there, but it was horribly written). It was subtle enough to make their mutual attraction/curiosity apparent, but wasn’t explicitly romantic… Could go in several directions, but this is the first time I haven’t thought that ship kind of odd. I’d be intrigued to see what a “Wanda and the Vision” movie might look like.

    2. Loved Nat in this film. She feels so nicely fleshed out whenever the Russo bros can direct her. I feel like the film didn’t set her up to spin off as nicely as I heard it did, but her role was fantastic overall. Loved the scene with Steve and her after Peggy’s funeral. Makes me happy to see them expand on their friendship. Her and Clint during the big airport fight was great. I desperately need her solo movie.

    3. I am now actually excited for a Spider-Man movie. I would have never thought I would say that. Tom Holland was FANTASTIC. That is all.

    4. Hell, I’m even excited for the potential of Iron Man 4. It set that up well, and I ESPECIALLY appreciated them touching on Tony’s turbulent relationship with Pepper after her lied about his retirement. That always bugged me. Despite not being a huge fan of Paltrow, I really love her Pepper.

    5. The part where they’re all fighting Bucky after he goes all brainwashy, and he’s choking Nat and she says “do you even recognize me?” I was wondering if this was potentially hinting at a joint past like in the comics, or if this was just in general from their pre-established interactions in WS.

    6. I was surprised how not angsty the angst felt in this movie. Everyone’s motivations were so well fleshed out and nothing felt forced. I loved how none of the characters wanted to fight, but felt like they had to according to their beliefs. I can only hope so much for the upcoming CWII in the comics universe.

    7. BLACK PANTHER BLACK PANTHER BLACK PANTHER. What a FANTASTIC introduction and what a charismatic actor. I am SO PUMPED for the BP film. I need 1000% more bodyguard though. “Move, or you will be moved.” I was wondering if that was supposed to be Shuri? Probably not, but in my headcanon it is… Just thinking of all the awesome roles for people of color in that film is driving me wild!

    8. Ant-Man was also a delight in this movie. Missed the WASP, but I’m looking forward to their eventual movie.

    9. Can’t help but be sad they didn’t think to make Wanda the secondary protagonist of Dr. Strange. She would have been a perfect addition to that cast – hell, even the Vision.

    10. Can’t wait to see where things go in the coming movies. Having the team split like that at the end was CRAZY. I was so surprised there wasn’t some big reconciliation or pardoning. I wonder how crazy the recruitment roster is going to get now that they’re missing like 80% of the officially sanctioned team.

  5. Mime_Paradox says:

    Ten Thoughts:

    1) I’m on Team “Read the damn accords before forming an opinion about them.” That said, of the two uninformed people having opinions, I’m more likely to side with Tony.

    2) I’m over Spider-Man on the big screen, and felt that his appearance here added little to the film or its themes.

    3) I liked seeing Giant Man in theory, but felt the film couldn’t do him justice. “Giants are slow” is a well-worn trope, but given the rest of the fights, it felt very out of place here, and the fact that he remained a giant for the rest of the fight just made me think of how much just having him there broke the special effects budget.

    4) I actually really loved the various character bits and the fights.

    5) Best set piece: the fight against Bucky after he broke out from his cell.

    6) Nobody will convince me that Agent 13 didn’t get off scot free at the end of it all, because she’s just that good.

    7) Steve is very lucky he couldn’t actually get his team to Siberia. That would have been embarrassing.

    8) Loved Wanda in this film, did not love her cleavagey costume. It’s not even that terrible an offender, but still.

    9) Yay three prominent black men–give me Black Panther now, Marvel. Nay, no prominent black women, or Women of Color at all.

    10) After watching the credits and discovering that part of the film was filmed in Puerto Rico, me and my da tried to determine which part that was. So far we’ve narrowed it down to the road where Bucky killed the Starks, because there really isn’t any other part that looked like Puerto Rico.

    So yeah, the film is a solid B / B+.

  6. Stephen "Soup" Strange says:

    Holy moly GIANT-MAN

  7. Adrian says:

    T’Challa kicked everyone’s ass.

    Question: I was caught up in the emotion of the moment, but I don’t understand where some of the camera shots was coming from that recorded Bucky killing the Starks. Was it like Tony and Cap were just watching that CCTV camera footage and then the “camera” moved in for a close shot, panning series of shots for our benefit?

  8. Zefram Mann says:

    Everyone seems to agree, this was a better Batman vs Superman movie than BvS. It’s almost eerie how many of the plot-points are shared between the two movies, but Civil War does every one them right.

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  10. OH GOD I JUST REMEMBERED PEGGY IS DEAD

    • transgojobot says:

      There’s still a chance for some Peggy Carter time-travel/dimensional-rift shenanigans courtesy of Thanos & His Golden Glove.

    • Zefram Mann says:

      And she was so young.

    • someladyontheinternet says:

      I knew this funeral was coming but I still cried. :(((

    • wondercube says:

      I DON’T WANT TO LIVE IN AN MCU WITHOUT PEG (okay I do, but JUST GIVE ME MORE SEASONS, MARVEL/ABC). That was legit sad. I teared up a bit because I love that character so much.

    • WheelchairNinja says:

      Infinity War Part Two: after defeating Thanos, the Avengers use the Soul stone to resurrect Peggy and the Time stone to send her and a retired Steve back to the ’40s so they can have their date and live out their lives in peace. #HeadcanonUntilProvenOtherwise

  11. the silver ravens says:

    Spider-man was the most adorkable

    • preppy says:

      He really was perfect. He got the biggest laughs in my theatre, the biggest being:

      “What are you, Spider-boy?”
      “…Spiderman.”
      I’m actually excited for Homecoming now!

    • bandit_queen says:

      I have never, ever felt anything about Peter Parker other than “really? Again?” but I absolutely loved every minute of him, and it was very emotional confusing but in a good way.

  12. preppy says:

    “I don’t care. He killed my mom.”

    *posts 1000 crying gifs*

  13. Alexa says:

    The ending killed me, the fact that Bucky was willing to freeze himself in order to protect other people. God I just want to hug the guy and tell him everything’s going to be okay. Also that chase scene in the tunnel WAS AMAZING! Honestly there is really very little I have a complaint about, the Russos did an even better job than Whedon in handling all these characters and shot it in a way that made the action so great. Love the Russos and cannot wait to see more ^U^

  14. Zefram Mann says:

    I have but one criticism of this movie, but it nearly ruined my enjoyment of it.

    I only wish I could adequately put into the words the intense, burning, seething hatred I have of shaky-cam and how much it takes me out of a scene. I wish I could convey in term that would do my annoyance justice over how much I would like to see this cinematography die painfully in a fire.

    • the silver ravens says:

      yeah luckily they seemed to ease up on in later in the movie but i hate shaky cam it can go away now

    • Anna says:

      I almost got sick, they used it so much in the opening. I’m glad it didn’t really come back later though (or maybe I just got used to it).

    • Alexa says:

      I feel the same way, but honestly I thought they did it well here. And believe me I hate shaky cam, but again here it was done in a way I could tolerate it and wasn’t nearly as bad as when it was implemented in other films…

      • transgojobot says:

        Thankfully, this wasn’t ‘Paul Greengrass’ levels of roller-coaster shaky-cam.

        I was still able to follow the fight choreography, and hot damn was it delightful.

        • Zefram Mann says:

          Black Widow’s scenes at the beginning were some of the most gloriously brutal fight scenes I’ve seen outside of Daredevil. What a shame all those scenes were the ones hardest hit by the shaky-cam effect.

          Someone had a theory that Johannsson’s regular stunt-double was sick that day, but damn if there aren’t better ways around that, especially after seeing the young-Tony effect they pulled off.

    • bandit_queen says:

      The opening was awful, visual-legibility-wise. I could hardly tell what was going on in that sequence at all, to the point where I was wondering whether I was going to be able to watch the movie at all.

    • someladyontheinternet says:

      I noticed it but it wasn’t as bad as some movies are. Everyone should take a hint from Fury Road on how to shoot action sequences.

    • wondercube says:

      Yeah, especially in the first fight scene it was SO DISTRACTING. Especially when Nat was fighting?

  15. the silver ravens says:

    Since Zemo lived and Ross is around i wonder if they are going to do anything with the Thunderbolts now

  16. the silver ravens says:

    Black panther was also really good and since they got he origin story out of the way in this one i wonder what they are going to do in his movie

    • transgojobot says:

      I’m so excited to see where ‘BLACK PANTHER’ could go! (╯✧▽✧)╯

      We’ll likely see Andy Serkis’ Ulysses Klaue return.

      Also, T’Challa is now tight with Steve Rogers and his *ahem* Secret Avengers. So, there’s the possibility there of a cameo. Although, to be honest, I’d like to see Marvel limit those cameos to one or two people; T’Challa and Wakanda are the main characters.

  17. Spider-Man could not have been more adorable. Huzzah for Giant Ant-Man! There was so much in the movie and I never once felt bored or wanted them to move things along.

  18. the silver ravens says:

    just got back! Spider-man! Antman! Everyone!

  19. VBartilucci says:

    It’s everything Superman v Batman wanted to be, and failed.
    The “big fight” was a discrete ten-and-change minute scene, and it wasn’t even the best fight in the film.
    Everyone, myself included, assumed this was going to be Avengers 2.5, but damn if it didn’t end up feeling and playing like a Captain America movie.

  20. Spidey Super Comments says:

    Best Spider-Man/Peter Parker ever.

    • the silver ravens says:

      I love this spider-man! spider-man is really special to me one of the few comics i read growing up and i think they nailed it

    • someladyontheinternet says:

      He was adorable. I loved how earnest and teenagery he was.

    • wondercube says:

      And Tony and Peter were so good together. Bless them. EXCITED FOR MARISSA TOMEI.

  21. Social Justice Kamen Rider says:

    #TeamDontLetVengeanceConsumeyou #TeamWithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility

  22. Skemono says:

    I am curious what people thought about Zemo and whether his inclusion contributed to or detracted from the themes of the movie, whatever you thought those to be.

    When watching I first thought that adding a villain for the heroes to stop hurt things. If Zemo is a mass murderer working to get Sleeping Soviet Super Soldiers with which he can kill more people, then the guys working to stop him (Team Cap) are pretty clearly in the right. It ceases to be a discussion about oversight & responsibility and is instead noble heroes fighting against the blind fools who won’t listen or see reason.

    On the other hand, without a compelling motivator like “supervillain trying to raise a country-threatening strike force” having the heroes fighting would probably be pretty childish. “I disagree with your position. Welp, guess there’s no way to resolve this except with our fists!” “…couldn’t we talk like reasonable adults?” “No, but you may punch me in Morse code.”

    And the reveal that Zemo was not actually aiming to wake the sleepers, but instead was just after revenge could undermine the prior view that he’s a threat that requires the Avengers to defy government oversight, violate international borders and wreck stuff on foreign soil. Then again that’s trying to judge with the benefit of hindsight, plus he’d shown an inclination to kill as many people as it took to achieve his goals, so if TeamCap had stood down, he probably would’ve tried killing people again to draw them together. But it also raises the possibility of Vision being right about the Avengers’ presence inviting threats.

    That’s not getting into the theme of vengeance consuming people or aught else. Mostly ’cause I don’t care enough–is anyone else just sick and tired of people blaming superheroes for casualties as a result of property damage that results from them saving the entire planet? Oh no, your son was crushed by falling debris? Sure, that’s sad and regrettable, but we were trying to stop the extinction of all life on earth at the hands of a killer robot. Ultron was the one ripping up Sokovia and making things collapse, while the Avengers were rescuing civilians and trying to stop him. Iron Man did not put a bullet in your family’s skulls. And government oversight isn’t exactly guaranteed to lead to fewer deaths when the government decided to nuke New York. If you want us to feel the Avengers are responsible for any deaths or need oversight, you might bring up that Tony was the one who created Ultron in the first place, but… nope!

    Bah. Overall, there was an ant, a falcon, a spider, and a melanistic leopard. However, no pangolin. Therefore, 1/2 out of 5.

    • Zefram Mann says:

      I was originally strongly against his inclusion, but seeing him in action I think he was an extremely effective villain. He had none of the flash of previous Marvel villains, but tremendous amounts of character and motivation compared to virtually all the others save Loki.

      If only he’d had the purple mask.

      • the silver ravens says:

        yeah i hear a lot of people say he was the weakest part of the movie but i really liked him in this. he sort of reflected black panther if he were to go to far

    • someladyontheinternet says:

      My husband and I had a discussion about the legal aspects after the movie. We both agreed that, for the most part, the Avengers aren’t to blame for collateral damage. They’re all trying to save people, nobody is acting irresponsibly, and they’re making the best possible calls in the heat of the moment. It’s a good Samaritan thing. But of course, who knows what laws are like in the MCU, and in the real world, a team of special forces that hop borders at will to chase bad guys and cause international incidents would be in a lot of trouble, regardless of how much good they were doing. They would be expected to work with local authorities. But in the MCU, where supernatural threats and things like mind control exist, Cap is probably right to walk away from any agreement that takes away his ability to use his best judgement.

      I really thought they’d include a mention of Ultron as a reason Tony now supports government oversight. (Did they? Maybe I missed it.)

      • Jason Rye says:

        Ross going over the the collateral damage caused by the Avengers. Incidentally all the collateral damage caused by his actions was not mentioned at all, South America, California, New York and anywhere else he chased Banner during is vendetta against the Hulk.

        Also once the UN issued the murder order on Bucky without even an investigation, let along a trial, based on one photo and no other evidence proved that Steve had the moral high ground vs the Accord backers. Also Tony having Vision hold Wanda against her will was a douche move and also an illegal one.

  23. danna the human says:

    I need to watch it again

  24. My Flerken Cat says:

    i’ve been Kermit arm flailing since I saw it on Saturday!

  25. I guess somebody should get the ball rolling with the whole us and them thing, so.

    *hangs up #TeamIronMan banner*

    • preppy says:

      I’m Team Iron Man too. I went in 100% on Cap’s side but this movie perfectly handles why both arguments hold weight and why each character supports which side. But ultimately i have to agree with Stark, they need some kind of order to keep them in check.
      Black Panther and Spiderman were amazing but i was most surprised by Scarlett Witch. Her role in this movie was great, and they did a better job of explaining her powers here than in Ultron.

      • wondercube says:

        Totally. They did wonders with Wanda and set up some great potential with her and Vision for future films.

      • Jason Rye says:

        Steve was going to support the accords, until Tony and the UN decided to do all sorts of illegal shit, Tony having Vision hold Wanda against her will and being hypocrite about it, since the Vision is the most powerful being on Earth and letting him have his freedom to come and go as he pleased. Then the UN ordering the police to murder Bucky on site based on one photo and no investigation. Also all of Secretary (former General) Ross’s actions while being responsible for all of the Hulk’s actions being swept under rug and the Avengers knew this, how could any of them go along with anything Ross said.

      • Aeryl says:

        UGH this is SO irritating. There is no “#TeamIronMan”. Tony was NEVER at all invested in the actual idea of oversight. He was interested in the appearance of being under oversight, but he never intended to comply with the Accords, that’s why he doesn’t care what is in them. “Whatever it takes to keep us in check, I’m game.” Not only is the idea of “whatever it takes” dangerous on the face of it, it’s antithetical to Tony’s grounding in science. And that’s why his very first act once Steve goes rogue, is to secretly recruit a teenager that isn’t eligible to sign onto the Accords, has that teen lie to his guardian, and lies to his team about where he came from and how old he is.

        The idea that the Avengers should be answerable to someone isn’t a wrong one, but that’s not what Tony’s arguing. Tony is arguing for a paper shield, a PR stunt.

        Steve is absolutely right to fear what Ross is proposing. Avengers who don’t feel responsible for their actions because they are no longer making the decisions, is a terrifying idea, because that creates Avengers who don’t care about consequences.

        The best analogy here is Avengers missions as police actions and rescues. For the assault on the HYDRA base in Sokovia, that is a police action, and they should get prior approval. But when aliens pour through a whole in the sky, that’s a rescue, they go and you worry about if they did it right after the fact.

        Have rules for how they conduct themselves, have rules for training, but you can’t put the Avengers on a leash, nor take the responsibility for their actions away from them.

    • transgojobot says:

      #TeamBlackPanther

    • Spidey Super Comments says:

      #LetsGoMets!

      also

      #TEAMCAP!