[UPDATED] Looks Like Daisy Ridley Was Harassed Off Instagram Because of a “Political” Opinion


The Dark Side of the internet has struck again. Star Wars actor (and perpetual blessing) Daisy Ridley has deleted her Instagram account. This is truly the darkest timeline.

This is becoming a really bad trend. It was just a few weeks ago Ghostbusters star Leslie Jones felt the need to leave Twitter after she was verbally abused by horrible racists, now it seems other generally horrible people are to blame for Ridley shutting down her Instagram.

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Ridley is still new to the industry but has used her Instagram account to great effect by sharing fun moments with fans, giving messages of hope, and kindness. But she has already been on the receiving end of bad behavior from bad people (as most of us have) on the internet before. Apparently this time she’s decided she’s had enough.

I was alerted to this latest celebrity chase-off by Tess Fowler on Twitter and FrozingMusings on Tumblr caught a bit of what actually happened with screenshots from Ridley’s official Facebook page, which still exists. She often cross-posted things to her Instagram so I can only assume she took heat there as well. Unfortunately since it’s now deleted I can’t know for sure. But Ridley wrote a message of peace on Facebook yesterday [Edit: Looks like this FB post is now gone also.]:

Thinking about how lucky I am like……… Serious bit: as I sat in the audience yesterday tears were streaming down my face at the tribute to those that have been lost to gun violence. I didn’t get a great picture of the incredible group that came on stage but they were so brave. It was a true moment of togetherness. We must ‪#‎stoptheviolence‬

And well, because she, a celebrity, dared to share an opinion about something other than Star Wars on her own page, fans took the opportunity to tell her how wrong she was and that she should just never talk about politics at all. Like they own her or something.

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Well Dasiy, you have just lost a fan. With the utter lack of research, and an obvious zero knowledge on the subject, this is probably something you should not be talking about.

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Please do not start with any liberal statements or movements. We are all against violence. People kill people guns don’t. Don’t ruin Star Wars for any of us.

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Sorry, didn’t I see you using a blaster in Star Wars Episode VII? Get outta here, you’re no better than Matt Damon. I might have to unfollow your page.

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Says the woman who kills people with guns in movies. Such hypocrisy in Hollywood. Just shut up, Ridley and make another Star Wars movie.

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We all love you so much, however please stay out of politics. Hollywood needs less political stand points and more humanity for the environment. Please, be the neutral voice and a good role model and just stay clear of all the drama. Trust me the violence over here is being fueled by politicians with their own agenda on both sides. There are two sides to every story and a head in every pocket. We are forgetting the true problems of the world right now.

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Daisy, I love everything you do and your voice for a lot of things, but violence inflicted with guns is probably not the best topic to bring to your fan base. Stopping the violence is a wonderful sentiment, but the only way to ensure that happens is through education and mental health treatment improvements. Evil will always find a way to re-surface. How we deal with the evil person is the real issue we all face.

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I know how we stop the violence Daisy Ridley. We arm ourselves just like you did in Star Wars. When evil people inflict death and destruction upon you, righteous violence IS the answer. (I would like to add that a Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense. Never attack.)

Like, WHAT?

Of course there were many supporting what she said and defending her from those who felt they were owed something but once people realized her Instagram account was gone, fans took to her co-star John Boyega’s Instagram to ask him to get her to come back. Which is also super inappropriate. But he answered them. And his answer was no.


“She’s doing what’s best for her. I won’t be advising my friend to come back. Sorry,” he wrote to one fan and then another, “Can’t do that. She make her own decisions and as a friend I support her right to.” Those replies have since been deleted it seems, and I don’t blame him, I wouldn’t want to get in the middle of this either.

We’ll see if Ridley just needed to step back for a bit and unplug, or if this move is permanent which would be a detriment to the world. Celebrities who put themselves on social media and share personal things don’t have to! That’s a bonus for fans and if you’re going to treat that person, that human being, with disrespect, why should they stick around?

Needless to say, if you were one of those people who felt the need to tell Ridley she shouldn’t be talking about something she has every right to on her social media pages, or if you’ve ever done something similar to anyone else, you should be ashamed of yourself. As with all things, we could all learn to use a bit more kindness and better judgement before speaking.

[Edit: It should go without saying, do not harass anyone who harassed her. I left their names because they posted publicly to Facebook but I do not want to send more badness into the world please.]

[Edit #2: I’ve seen a few people, both here and on social media, claiming that the comments here are “not that bad” or something similar so I want to clarify a few things. We have no idea what kind of comments were on the Instagram account and I only pulled from what was left on Facebook. It’s not our place to decide whether or not Ridley should have disabled the account. We all have to take our mental health into account and do whatever is best for us. And considering what Boyega said, it sounds like that’s exactly what she did.]

[UPDATE] I’ve been provided this screenshot. Apparently Ridley hopped back on Instagram for a short time to leave this message for fans. The account is back to being disabled. A Daisy Ridley Fan Club account says her Instagram is being “edited” after an “incident” on August 1st.

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The message reads: “Hey y’all!! Just wanted to explain the hiatus… I just want to be on my phone less! Trying to be more present and all that and got a busy few months ahead so wanted less distractions… It’s all good :) I always appreciate the support and love and Instagram community! X”

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  • Windham Cato

    Just how far have you shoved your head up Disney’s ass?

  • Jim Bush

    So in the end we find out that a bunch of liberals leaped to a conclusion about why she left Instagram, and it turns out they were wrong, according to the lady herself. That didn’t stop a liberal from starting up this page with a #FakeNews headline though.

    Stirring the pot again, eh, liberals? And you wonder why you lost all those seats in Congress.

  • teenygozer

    Is it just me, or are the concern trolls worse than the out and out haters? That “I’m just saying this in your own interest, because I adore you, it’s for the best if you shut up” crew is insidious. DARTH INSIDIOUS!

  • Tony

    Just a couple of points if I may. The first, which is self-evident, is that people in general tend to be less forgiving and more judgmental and hateful when there are no consequences to their actions or statements, as is the case in general with social media sites. It’s like the old wisdom concerning money: having more money doesn’t change a person, it magnifies who they already are. Spiteful and mean-spirited social media posts like those excerpted above by the article’s author do not surprise me in the least, and I expect they don’t come as a surprise to anyone else.

    Secondly, if I were Ridley, I’d close it down, too. I’m sure she’s got loads more happening in her life that she has no need to subject herself to random abuse at the keyboards of people who don’t even know her.

  • Woah, I’m late to the party. Believe it or not, I haven’t looked at the comment policy, so I’ll refrain from saying everything I’m thinking, but um…

    “didn’t I see using a blaster” made me laugh out loud. It’s always fun when those decrying ignorance are dumber than dirt.

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  • jenniefur

    WTf is she supposed to “research”? Some people died, and she said she was sad about it. These beta male nuts are ridiculous.

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  • Namnoot

    I recently saw the Instagram of another charming and kind British actress overrun with trolling and hate – and all she did was post an image of herself from a press junket. Lots of insane and stupid people on the Internet and it’s because of them that the adage “this is why we can’t have nice things” applies. Very sad.

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  • Spag_Hoops

    The comment that really astounds me is the “With the utter lack of research, and an obvious zero knowledge on the subject,” She had just been hanging out with the victims of gun violence. How much more research would you need?

  • kafkaesque

    Enjoying living in a country where gun deaths are very rare.

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  • Clancys_Daddy

    The folks complaining about her using guns in movies are probably the same ones who were freaked out by Bradley Cooper being at the DNC convention.

  • F’mal DeHyde

    The comments posted here were intrusive and inappropriate but by twitter standards, they were the voice of reason. No threats of violence, no vulgarities. If I were a celebrity, I wouldn’t have any online presence… too many trolls and a-holes.

  • Nazadbegović

    some tumblr crap

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  • Matthew Roop

    Fucking mob mentality man. we suck.

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  • Jimspar

    A lot of those comments were very well stated, ignorance is the problem. While yes Ms. Ridley is due her opinion, she is also due the opinions of others by posting on “social media”. The negative and hurtful comments are part of playing the game, while I do not agree with people threatening others over their opinion we know it is going to happen. In this case the responsibility for keeping the trolls under their bridges where they belong is Instagrams.

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  • William Ray Siegfried

    If anyone has any questions about what I said, feel free to ask.

    • William Ray Siegfried

      I would love to stay and chat. Seeing as I have not got any replies yet, and I do not check this site very often. I am on facebook under the same name. Anyone is welcome to send me a polite message through facebook. I would also like to say that I believe that all of you have a right to self defense, and the only person who can take that right away is you. Thank you! :)

      • jmtv0216

        I suppose I will engage. I’m willing to bet folks are confused as to why the conversation was redirected into a gun control issue? She made a statement about how she was moved about showing some solidarity and how we would do well as a species to stop hurting each other.

  • Nathan Kelly

    Man all these hillbillies can’t handle the fact that guns are a major factor to the murders in America, it doesn’t allow safety, it allows for more innocent lives being taken. Goodness I never thought about how lucky we are living in brit…. actually scrap that Idea.

  • Joshua

    The fact that she let these comments “get to her” make me feel like she hasn’t been on the internet very much in her life. Hopefully her account come back in the near future.

  • Lily Lilac

    Welcome to the internet, where being a decent human being and showing compassion for people who died is a “political statement” deserving off harassment.

    • jmtv0216

      It really is disheartening how much we have lost our way isn’t it?

  • Joshua

    The fact that she let these comments “get to her” make me feel like she hasn’t been on the internet very much in her life. Hopefully her account come back in the near future.

  • jmarquiso

    It’s funny how the right always calls liberals “sensitive”, when something like this happens and they jump all over the poster.

  • Robert Benton

    That is why people went after her? The gun nuts attacking her when yes shes said gun violence. But no where did she say she wants guns banned. She just said she wishs the violence would stop. Daisy seems like one of the nicest, sweetest people in Hollywood. Almost every post was encouraging to people or just her having fun. She nor does anyone just stating an opinion doesn’t desrve to be treated like that

  • Liz Tailor

    How ignorant do people have to be to attack someone and use a fictional creation as defense for their disgusting comments. There’s free speech and then there’s decency as a human person interacting with another. Wow. So sorry for Daisy, she is lovely!!!

  • Pretty sure everyone wants to stop violence even if they disagree about how to do it.

    Also pretty sure I didn’t exactly see her advocating everyone lose theirs, was pretty neutral.

    Kneejerk reactions ruin everything, man…

    • Marie

      That’s what I don’t understand. It seems like you wouldn’t disagree with her comment unless you were pro-violence, which I think most people are not. (Except that last guy, apparently.)

  • Erick Herrera

    Those comments are not that bad. Typical liberal response to hide and disregard when called out on their hypocrisy.

  • Stacey Medina

    We should all just arm ourselves with Lightsabers and learn how to force choke everyone that would solve all the worlds problems.

  • Devon Smelker

    I’m going to say this, Everyone has a right to make a political statement and voice their opinions on issues. However just because you are (A) A celebrity (B) A woman (C)A Man (D) A beloved Sci-Fi Actor or (E) All of the Above, does NOT mean you are immune to the criticisms, trolling, ect that follow with making a political statement. Furthermore the fact that some people think that all these people “dogpiling” Daisey are Right-Wing gun nuts only shows have narrow minded you are. Fun Fact, you can be left leaning and Still Support the Second Amendment. Another Fun Fact, you can be left or right leaning and still be for or against free speech. That being said the only person who has taken away Daisy Ridley’s Free Speech was Daisy Ridley, because instead of engaging in a civil discussion, or just ignoring the “haters” she tucked tail and ran at the first sign of trouble. The gun debate is and has been a hot issue in america, and there is no real right or wrong side to it. And it gets people fired up (no pun intended) especially after ever tragedy something like #‎stoptheviolence‬ or such comes along followed by another push to disarm the american people. And I mean come on these comments are nothing, I’ve seen way harsher comments come from both sides of the gun debate.

    Tl:Dr If you want to make a political statement thats fine, but be ready to back up your statement, otherwise there was no point in making it.

    • Zack

      TL:DR: “If you think gun violence is bad, you have to PROVE it’s bad, because some people think it’s good.”

  • Zack Podany

    Normally when I see a story like this the comments are just a continuation of that fight, but everything I’ve seen here is sympathy and support. That makes me feel a little bit better starting out my day.

  • Katie Slater

    I don’t think the last 3 are hate. She has a right to her opinion and voicing it. But before she became famous I’m sure she was used to people countering her, unless she never used the internet. Only difference now is she has a lot more of it, and probably more of it being hurtful. But yeah, the last 3 were just people who love her but don’t like her stance. I happen to be one of those too(not that I voiced it, I didn’t even see this before now).

    People can voice their disagreements with others. What they shouldn’t do(but do all the time) is be disrespectful about it. Telling Daisy not to ruin star wars, that you will unfollow her, that she knows nothing…..that is plain awful. There is no excuse for it. When did disagreements give us the right to throw people under the bus or want nothing to do with them?

  • Kyoraki

    You say harassment, I see a lot of strong but polite criticism. It seems nobody in Hollywood has a spine anymore…

  • Those are worthless fucks. I hate that bad people keep winning.

  • Andy McAwesome

    “Well, your fictional character uses fake space guns to kill genocidal villains hellbent on galactic domination, so you’re a HYPOCRITE for being sad that some actual people died!”

    • jmtv0216

      Cant tell if you are being sarcastic here but just to use your own words….FICTIONAL character, FAKE SPACE guns, ACTUAL PEOPLE died? How does that even come close to equating? An actor who plays make believe in a beloved sci-fi movie cant be concerned about the well being of our own species?

      • Andy McAwesome

        I am being well sarcastic, my friend, don’t worry. :P

  • LiliththeSiren

    The comments you inserted in the article above are not that bad. Most of them just express a different point of view and that is ok. If someone cannot handle that then you should’t be on that plattforms (Although I assume that the really bad comments are not shown; these above can hardly be called harassment).

  • Sievers34

    I feel for her, but Leslie Jones deserves it. She had been posting racist tweets for a long time. Twitter would be better without her. Daisy however did not deserve the abuse.

  • Benedict’s American Accent

    Why is it that people who want to say hateful and stupid things always crow loudly about freedom of speech?

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  • Maniate

    It goes without saying that those people are going to be harassed to fuck because you left their names. I mean, come on.

  • Jasmin Collins

    Oh wow, I remember reading that post when it came out. I never thought it would turn into so much drama…
    I mean, if they really want Hollywood to “stay out of politics” maybe they should stop shedding light on it in the first place. I read Ridley’s post as coming from a humanitarian stand point, and it’s a shame that people have to take (what should be) a one-sided thing and give it two sides of “right” and “wrong.”

  • llMurcielagoll

    The insensitive nay sayers win yet again another good thing going ruined by them and finally got their way. Regardless of what topic she talked about.

    If I could tell daisy something in the light of her storming out of instagram, it would be “And that is the internet for you, Dee Dee”

  • Zefram Mann
  • i wish i could sit down everyone of those people in a room… then lock it and tell them i’ll let them out once they learn a few things about how to be decent human beings.

    and i also want daisy to know i don’t blame her for leaving after that kind of crap. she doesn’t deserve any of it, and i’m glad she’s got friends like john supporting her.

  • I was actually one of the commenters on her accompanying Facebook post about the gun control issue, and I was in favor of her views. And it resulted in me being barraged with insults and attacks by other commenters who, obviously, weren’t.

    But I hear about this, and I now feel ashamed for helping feed that fire of anger that the posts clearly engendered in the pro-gun people. I really admire Daisy’s strength and bravery with voicing her feelings on an extremely bitter, angry topic for us American fans. If ever there was someone who shouldn’t have to suffer the bleating of the internet’s grossest sectors, it’s a wonderful person like her her.

    We Star Wars fans should be ashamed of ourselves.

    If anyone here also follows Daisy on her Facebook page, and has done their part to bicker/argue on her post there, PLEASE let us cease the bickering and debates in the comments Look what it’s led to over on Instagram. Put aside your anger and desire to prove yourself right. Let’s show Daisy that we can be better than this.

  • Jeromy

    I don’t understand why people insist on being hateful and ignorant online. It’s like they think they’re immune to the consequences to their idiotic attempts to harm someone they don’t know.

  • I guess now would be a good time to remind folks of our strict comment policy here on The Nerdy Bird: http://thenerdybird.com/comment-policy/

    • And for my regulars, flag as necessary and don’t engage with the trolls. Thanks! :)

  • Carl

    Gotta say: Those Instagram comments were pretty spot on.

  • Chris Ferguson

    Whenever you make a statement or give an opinion you have to be prepared for a reaction to that. If you can’t handle it just keep your opinions to yourself, because unless someone threatens you with physical violence they have the right to voice their opinion about what you have to say.

  • Jeez what a bummer. Those comments were frustrating to read. Hopefully she isn’t too scathed by this and she’ll return after some time off the social pages.

  • strongfemalecharacterTM

    Daisy needs a strong and experienced woman actor in Hollywood to take her under her wing, help her with her confidence and give her some advice on social media and stardom. She’s so young and so new to the industry I wonder if it’s still shocking to her to hear people write those kinds of replies. She shouldn’t have to put up with that, but at least if it happens she would feel a bit more supported.

    • Perhaps she doesn’t need to be taken under anyone’s wing. Maybe she just stoppedstopped the idiocy before it could escalate. Just because she’s gone doesn’t mean she was driven away, she could have voluntarily stepped off to take the fuel away from their fire.

      • strongfemalecharacterTM

        I think it was more likely a contract based decision from the people who technically ‘run’ her IG. That’s what I’ve heard anyway.
        But yeah it could have been her decision, but it could have been a decision made from the worry that level of anger is something unusual to experience. That transition from everyday person to movie star brings a lot of attention I’m sure a 23 year old is going to find overwhelming.

  • Zack

    I know how we stop the violence Daisy Ridley. We arm
    ourselves just like you did in Star Wars. When evil people inflict death
    and destruction upon you, righteous violence IS the answer. (I would
    like to add that a Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense. Never

    Star Wars isn’t real you dumb fucking nerd.

    • liquidflorian

      Its a metaphor.

    • ɥɔʇᴉʞsʇɹǝqoɹ

      Just because Star Wars isn’t real doesn’t mean that it can’t send a message… I think that we’re all quite familiar with how media can be problematic? Really though, I don’t know that we need to ascribe the perceived values of a movie to any of the actors who portrayed characters in it, or fault them if they don’t embody those values.

      • Zack

        The fact that Star Wars isn’t real means you can’t cite it as “proof” of anything like this idiot is doing.

        • ɥɔʇᴉʞsʇɹǝqoɹ

          He didn’t say that it proved anything? Just that (according to him) it had the right idea?

          I don’t think that Star Wars itself is proof either way as to whether the ideas it expresses are good or bad…

          • Zack

            That is exactly what he said. He’s citing a children’s movie about space wizards as proof guns are good.

          • ɥɔʇᴉʞsʇɹǝqoɹ

            Just because you agree with the message of the movie doesn’t mean that you think that the message ‘proves’ anything, just that the ideas it expresses align with your values…

            I can’t find anything in what you quoted which exactly says that he thought that Star Wars actually proved anything.

          • Zack

            Are you the guy who posted that comment? Because I honestly can’t think of any other possible reason to white-knight this hard for this moron.

          • ɥɔʇᴉʞsʇɹǝqoɹ

            I’m not the guy; I don’t even agree with the guy’s views; and I’m certainly not ‘white-knighting’ for him… but believe what you will.

          • robertskitch

            Actually maybe if I put it this way you’ll understand:

            You are using the same language that people use against us when we try to tell them that representation in movies matters or that a piece of media is problematic – That it doesn’t matter because it isn’t real or that it’s just a children’s movie about space wizards.

            If I’m ‘white-knighting’ anyone, it’s those of us who think that the media society produces and consumes actually matters, which I think would be most of us here… but apparently not. Really I think that you care more about exercising your right to swear and call people names than what it is you’re actually saying.

            Heck, it’s bad enough that you’re using ‘nerd’ as an insult. You’re not exactly punching upwards with that one.

            My apologies if I’m being blunt.

            It’s pretty ironic that you thought that the guns rights guy was the one whose side I was on.

      • Regina Elizabeth Kent

        So true. There were people freaking out because they saw Bradley Cooper at the DNC because he portrayed Chris Kyle in a movie.

    • Hey… #notallnerds are idiots like those people.

    • Alistair Knowles

      It isn’t real? That rumbling sound is the noise of my world collapsing
      around me as the fictional nature of the Star Wars universe becomes
      obvious to me. I feel such a fool, having wasted decades of my life
      persuing what transpires to be nothing more than an empty, meaningless
      work of fiction and puerile hobby.

    • William Ray Siegfried

      Hi there!

    • William Ray Siegfried

      Nerds are smart, you silly non-f___ing person. ;) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nerd

  • Marie

    That’s not even a political statement! By objecting to those words, are the pro-gun people saying that they’re pro-violence? I thought they wanted guns to stop violence.

    • Yeah, ha, that’s why I wrote political in quotes. It’s ridiculous.

      • Marie

        Ugh. I just can’t believe people would object to that. The internet should not surprise me anymore.

        • Devon Smelker

          Every time the hashtag #‎stoptheviolence‬ or similar comes up its often followed by attempts to push for gun confiscation, something Gun owners are against. Also looking at the majority of these comments, if criticism is what has sacred her away good riddance. You have every right to make a political statement, but you are delusional if you think you can make a political statement and NOT expect criticism

          • Viriato77

            That would be fine and dandy if the criticism made sense and actually was critical of specific points, as opposed to the cacophonous din from the knee-jerk reaction of thousands of foam-flecked neck-beards.

      • KitChaotic

        What angers me MOST about this entire situation, is that every single person harassing her had to make an assumption about what she intended by her words. Nowhere does she say she wants guns to be banned, or even further restricted. She literally only says that we need to stop the violence, which I took to mean that we have a duty to be better to our fellow citizens.

        Yes, perhaps she does think guns should be further regulated, perhaps not. One of her dissenters, Dave Bishop, says the only way to stop the violence is through “education and mental health treatment improvements”. Given what she wrote, she could have meant that exact same thing, that we need to stop the violence through better mental health care, or she could have meant gun regulations or bans, or she could have meant we all need to turn into Jedi. They were literally harassing her only on the assumption that she was against them, which she never once stated.

        Their NEED to be defensive is what created the conflict in the first place. She has come out on NO side, she has remained neutral as the condescending Heather Berry insists she should be. She simply addressed how she felt seeing these people who were hurt by gun violence. She did not, in any way, offer a solution, but they’re all happy to put words in her mouth. That’s what I find most frustrating about this entire fiasco.

    • Jim Bush

      It’s not like they were threatening her, unless you count “I might stop following you on Instagram” as a threat.

      She can post political opinions. It invites others to do the same in replies. That’s how free speech works. It’s free for both sides. And in the end, according to her own words, this is not why she quit Instagram and this entire story is literally just pants-on-fire liberals trying to stir the pot.

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  • Jim Cook

    Funny how the right always crows about free speech but doesn’t hesitate to dogpile someone and attempt to silence them.

    • Scott D

      I see far more pile-on from silf-righteous liberals than from the right. And most of the commentors here were mild compared to the venom I see if you go against the SJWs

      • Ivan Malyushytskyy

        Not sure who you hang out with. I went on the Trump page for a second, and it remains a cesspool of bigotry, ignorance, and hate. All thumping their chests and pumping their hate, threatening to kill everyone who disagrees.

        So yes, you’re right, this is mild for the extreme right known as the GOP, but doesn’t excuse it in the least.

        The USA lack of regulation (or lack of ban) on guns, is the reason the US remains #1, #1 Gun Murder capital of the developed world that is. I’m sorry that you don’t seem to see the connection, what with that being literally the only factor that differentiates the US from Europe, Russian, Japan, etc. (And by GOP logic the Europeans should be beating us here right? After all they have those “scary” refugees and no guns right?)

        • Devon Smelker

          Except other nations have plenty high murder rates, only those murders occur with knives and other items, because ANYTHING can be used to harm others

        • vinder

          Actually if you account for socioeconomic status and race you’ll find that gun violence isn’t that bad in the US compared to European countries where guns are banned.

      • Jim Cook

        The unironic use of “SJW” renders you unfit to listen to :) Unless you can somehow actually provide a definition of “SJW” that doesn’t equate to “people I disagree with.”

        Also, how many rape and death threats do you see coming from these “SJWs” of yours?

    • Regina Elizabeth Kent

      To be fair, I know plenty of people on the left who try to silence those on the right.

      • mycroft16

        Yes, sadly, it happens on both sides. I will say that at the moment it does tend to come more from one side than the other, but this can change, and has throughout history. And it is still no excuse.